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3 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
Ho ho ho... So I'd be a sort of Santa Claus now smilesmile
Let's see what I have in my sack...

1) With the next version you'll have something similar even if not exactly what you are asking for. You'll be able to always force an update this means that you'll be able to force an update of a normal item and a 0.00 item too.
Indeed you are already notified of any new update with the little "upd" and "new" badges placed over the program icons but I got your point and probably we will arrive there before or after.
2) It's one of the topic of the bunch I'm analyzing for the next version. It's not a sure implementation but likely.
3) Well it's not among the top priorities but who knows... in Christmas time we are all on our best behavior smile

Since we are speaking about the next I have some anticipations of already ready features.


1) You'll have a logging feature (turned off by default) that can log your activity in SyMenu;
2) You can force an SPS updated (already covered before)
3) In the configuration form the cursors keys with the SHIFT modifier are able to move the items up, down, up level, and inside the very next folder

4) The item cloning available in the configuration form with drag & drop, can now be done with the special context menu entry too

5) The Visit web site link in configuration form is now a button
6) Fix - Deleting an item that shares its program icon with another item, doesn't remove the icon file anymore

7) Fix - The item description textbox in configuration form now selects all its text on enter as the other textboxes
7 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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Hello "Symenu fans",
I suddenly realized that we are close to Christmas and I have said to myself: "I am going to make my wish list for SyMenu".
Logically I do not expect everything to arrive before Christmas, but if we go organizing this may help Gian to know what is the most expected feature of all because it is now distributed throughout all the Forum. (Honestly I have to say that I am influenced by the Kano model with which I am actually working)

After the big improvement of program graphics of the last version, My SyMenu three "wish list" in order is:
1st) To be alerted in all SPS updates even with the SPS Apps with "Build in updater" checked (with "0.00.sps.version") Post.
2nd) Get the item "Host Programs" as isolated menu item to to definitely kill the windows start menu (actually is integrated in "My Computer" item and is not possible to show it in the first level))
3er) New 'Script After Install' command "RunFile" on install and update Post. (Well, I know that this very, very special feature, a "publisher" wish)

I hope that this thread will be useful for all, applying Kano's marketing approach to new features: What does the client consider important and how is it implemented.

edited by VVV_Easy_Symenu on 02/12/2018
11 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

sl23
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
Thanks Gian wink
11 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

Gianluca
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Gianluca
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
I agree with your both requests. Consider them done!
12 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

sl23
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
My apologies, I didn't know that you could R-click a field to select all text!
That's solved the issue, thanks.
This doesn't work for the description though. Could that be changed so R-click the description field highlights all text and shows the context menu?

I wasn't requesting changing the URL, just to change from the 'Visit Website' text that appears when a link is found to a button. But if you have reason to keep the text, then that's ok. That's just a cosmetic thing anyway.

Thanks Gian
13 days ago
Topic:
New SyMenu version 6.06

Gianluca
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Topic: New SyMenu version 6.06
Thank you for your support!
A "very hard job" is a very polite sentence to describe the hell of this activity. Luckily the nightmare is over now! smile
13 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

Gianluca
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
You can already change the Visit Website target URL by changing the URL text. I can't add another button for this because it'll be useless.

I don't see the point to add a right click different behavior in clicking a button.

When you click a button in Windows you don't have two different behaviors.

I create an exception to this Windows gold rule on the SPS Manager where you can right click the links.

But, speaking about links and not about buttons, it's a very common behavior on every browser too, so I thought the users were already accustomed to this feature.

Plus the link values in the SPS Manager are not available in any other form while every buttons in the configuration form has its corresponding values right before it, inside its own textbox. If you right click on any of these textbox, Windows select the entire text for you and make the system contextual menu appears. From there you can copy your text with only another click on the Copy entry. IMHO it's not a too much demanding task and it preserves the Windows standard behavior.

edited by Gianluca on 26/11/2018
14 days ago
Topic:
Show/Hide hidden SyItems

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Topic: Show/Hide hidden SyItems
Thanks Gian.
I understand your predicament, and am grateful for all your work.
Still this app remains the best of it's kind!
15 days ago
Topic:
New SyMenu version 6.06

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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... And it work like a charm, very clear ... a big quality step for SyMenu
Thanks for your work, Gian, I know by experience that design a scalable API is very hard job.
15 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

sl23
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
No not a new entry but if you look at an entry in the config form there are buttons on the right hand side of the fields for Program, Path, Icon Path, and Description.
I propose you add a further button to replace the text for Visit Website first, then add the R-click=Copy text to every button mentioned above, and maybe to other useful fields too, like EnvVar.

I am finding it common practise having to copy these fields to paste to other SyItems.

edited by sl23 on 26/11/2018
15 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

Gianluca
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
Ok, so, if I well understand the problem, the available copy feature is good for you but you would prefer a menu/mouse right click shortcut to reach it.

Something like a new entry along with the Hide Item, Emphasize item, and Remove item menu entry with a name like "Clone item".
Is it correct?

If it is, it's not a big deal and it makes sense to implement if. The clone feature is indeed a bit hidden compared to the others.

edited by Gianluca on 24/11/2018
15 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

sl23
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
Personally, for me? No. I don't sit in front of my keyboard and use it almost always for writing emails, posts and such. It isn't an extension for PC functionality for me. I'd say around 90% of my PC usage involves controlling it via mouse.

I understand if you do not want to devote time to enhancing this, but I would still stick by my request. It's your baby, your decision wink
But I would much prefer mouse control.

Also, the drag drop seems to be for adding files to SyMenu. It's not for copying data from one item to another as is my case at the moment. For this I am having to click on one SyItem copy the website field by selecting and copying then pasting to another field, then doing the same process for Descriptions and EnvVar. if there were buttons that could be right clicked to copy the relevant fields it would be so much quicker.

You may ask why I am doing this, essentially I am archiving around 400 apps that are unused. Stuff that is wanted but only used on very rare occasions. Some are backups for old apps or apps no longer updated. So these are now just RAR files instead of folders with app files in. I've saved 5GB of disk space doing this!!! So after I create a RAR file of an apps folder, delete the folder, add the new shortcut of the RAR file, I then need to copy descriptions, URL's, EnvVar notes, and version numbers to the new RAR shortcuts for future reference.

As you can see this is a slower process than simply clicking a button to copy the data, especially when you consider that I have archived around 400 apps!

I'll keep my fingers crossed smile

edited by sl23 on 24/11/2018
16 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

Gianluca
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
Yes it is, but now the unclear things is another.
Is the drag + CTRL feature not enough? It clone the entire dragged item.

https://www.ugmfree.it/SyMenuManual.aspx#dragAndDropClone
16 days ago
Topic:
Show/Hide hidden SyItems

Gianluca
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Topic: Show/Hide hidden SyItems
It has to. I need to think which kind of UI is more suitable for this purpose.
The menu should have a new button or a new item where all the labels are available.
The better one is probably a new button on the title like this one


When you click it a new window pops up and, through it, you can select all the labels you want to include in your current display.
Naturally, the label management will be delegate to the configuration form.
Well I don't hide that this feature is a really nice one and I like it very much, but, as I told you, I need to evaluate the program priority because the graphical implementations have taken too many months and the new features development are a bit still.
17 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

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Topic: Config form enhancements.
Sorry. for example, in the config form it has button to find icon, locate the app, open the description, etc.

I propose to add a right click function to copy whichever of these is clicked on so as to copy the relevant info to the clipboard.
Copy app/icon paths, copy the description, copy the URL, version number, even environment variables.

I've had to do a lot of copying from one SyItem to another so the quick access to copy via a R-click on a button would be a great time saver.

Hope that's a little clearer now smile
17 days ago
Topic:
Show/Hide hidden SyItems

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Topic: Show/Hide hidden SyItems
Very nice! smile

Would this be easily swappable from one profile to another whilst keeping the menu minimalistic tho?
17 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

Gianluca
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Topic: Config form enhancements.
"copy the contents of the current index field"
I can't understand what's that exactly. Can you explain it better?

Thanks!
17 days ago
Topic:
Show/Hide hidden SyItems

Gianluca
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Topic: Show/Hide hidden SyItems
Well I spoke about profiles but my mind was on a completely different concept that will solve all your problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faceted_classification .

As Internet users, in our common experience the faceted classification has become very famous because of gmail. The Google mail introduced the labels from the very start and I think that feature was the real game changer that leads gmail to destroy all its competitors.

So in our scenario you won't have different profiles but facets (labels) that you can attribute to any custom item.

I haven't studied the solution yet but it could be something like this:
- you add a new item (item A) and it automatically takes a label called "default";

- the contextual menu, by default, shows only the items tagged with the "default" label. Up to here nothing changes;
- now from the item A you can remove the label "default". The item will be unattainable from the context menu (in today concept it becomes hidden);
- you add the new label "profile A" to the item A. The context menu still doesn't show it;
- you set a new display to the context menu: you choose to include the labels "default" and "profile A". The context menu shows your item A and all the others;
- you set a new dispaly to the context menu: you remove the labels "default" and leave checked the label "profile A". The context menu shows only your item A and the built-in elements which are always neutral;
- for what it's worth you can remove from the context menu display all the labels and now your menu shows you only the built-in elements and no custom item.

Nice huh!
18 days ago
Topic:
Config form enhancements.

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Topic: Config form enhancements.
I've just been sorting out my app list in SyMenu, I found that it would be very helpful to adopt the R-click function to copy the contents of the current index field.
Also, maybe change the Visit Website link to a button?
19 days ago
Topic:
Show/Hide hidden SyItems

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Topic: Show/Hide hidden SyItems
Hi Gian,
Thank you for taking the time to answer, and for the great and lengthy description smile

I understand your hesitation, it makes sense why you dislike the idea.

But I love the way you turned a negative into a positive!

I like the idea of profiles, but this introduces an annoyance in my opinion. Maybe you could find a way around it?
Liberkey had this option, you could effectively create several menus within the main menu and switch between them. Exactly as you propose.
The downside that I found out when trying it out was that I want an easy life! smile

The issue is that you create your main menu profile 'A' and a secondary profile 'B'.
But you can't see both at once without creating second shortcuts in menu B. So when looking for something it can become a chore and becomes messy!
I found myself searching to see where shortcuts were and if they existed at all!
Yes there's the search function, but I prefer not to use this. Keyboards are cumbersome and slow me down.

Gianluca wrote:
An hidden element is an element that, for certain reasons, you don't want to delete but you don't want to see too.

That is the very reason for my request wink

There are some small things that just work in PA.com's menu, and this is one of them.
Right click a shortcut in their app and there's the option to show/hide hidden items. If I hid something I put it in a hidden folder so it was out the way when these items were shown. For me, this works. I realise you need to do what's right for the majority, so hopefully there's a way around this problem?

Profiles is a good answer but this requires multiple entries of an app should you require it on more than one profile, there needs to be an easy way to handle this. Maybe make make a switch that allows editing one shortcut with this name to be copied to all shorctcuts with the same name?

I have several apps with different shortcuts due to having different versions. Each has a small difference to denote it's origin or version. example, at the end of all PA.com apps I put an * to let me know which version I am looking at. Firefox is a big issue for me at the moment. I still use v56.0.2 as such I have this as 'Firefox * v56' and the up to date version as just 'Firefox *' as well as the second profile version as 'Firefox * 2'

So even though I have several apps with the same name, the shortcuts differ, so that option would be a good compromise for me. But may not be an option for others, so the ability to switch this 'syncing' of shortcuts off would be an idea.

Thanks for listening smile

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