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3 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
Well I would like to open an entire new thread regarding the search for SPS apps.

My idea is to merge the three official suites in a single one, the SyMenu suite, and create a smarter search to find items.

For example to search the NirSoft tools you should write something like: PUB:Nirsoft instead of selecting the Publisher checkbox on the NirSoft tab.

This new way will allow you to combine every search entry with any other.

For example you'll be able to make a search that today is impossible:

STAT:Added STAT:Update
Today you can only filter for Added or for Update.

Naturally you can combine any search filter with any other.


For example:
"text CAT:editor CAT:graphic STAT:New"
which means: search in name and description (the two default text search fields) the string "text" AND add every item with a Category that contains the string "editor" AND add every item with a category that contains the string "graphic" AND add all the items with a New Status.

Well it's a draft and it won't be this way but I would like very much to move the search in this direction.

But... the next implementation won't be this one... You'll probably get a feature that alert you when you have some app that need to be updated. It's the first step to a fully unattended auto update feature. So please stay tuned for news smile

In the meanwhile if anyone has any idea about the future search feature, please be my guest.
4 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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And abusing your benevolence: Now we have a filter for the Status, Would be possible a filter for the banner too?
5 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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Thank you very much worship
7 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
Consider it done.
7 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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Gianluca wrote:

Or... add a third banner (NEW, UPD, AUT).
AUT means: "dear user, there is a new version for this program but since it's a 0.00 it's in AUTo update mode, so please make it autoupdates or force the update from here!!".
It's still a draft but what do you think?



I think the new AUT banner is the best solution, for two reasons:
1) It works for the normal user because it solves the possible incoherence of different Status "Added "and "Update" of the APP with the same banner.
2) For the advanced users it allows to distinguish the 0.00 app update and decide the "make it autoupdates or force the update from here!!"

Well thought, Gian!
11 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
If you think that having the UPD read banner even on installed 0.00 can be useful I can try to add it.

I'm not sure it's possible because the UPD banner is strongly associated with the Update status which is tied with the option to update that entry. I have to separate the two things.


Or... add a third banner (NEW, UPD, AUT).
AUT means: "dear user, there is a new version for this program but since it's a 0.00 it's in AUTo update mode, so please make it autoupdates or force the update from here!!".
It's still a draft but what do you think?
15 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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There are several occasions where it is necessary and arrived to me:

1) You prepare the SyMenu Suite on a computer with internet access but use it in one without access. You never detect an update: neither when you update the suite on your computer with internet (because is a 0.00 app) or when you use the application without internet access.
2) Another similar case is when you are behind a proxy with a ban on download pages.
3) When you prepare a SyMenu "origin" and have other SyMenu "mirrors" synchronized with it. If the user updates a "mirror" with autoupdate but the "origin" is not updated for not use of the app, when you re-synchronize, you undo the update.

4) Many programs take time to detect the update (or lack of internet): then I disable the autoupdate. For instance, sometimes you have several instances open and the first one begins to do the update and forces the others to close.
5) I trust more in an update uploaded by the publisher than the automatic update itself.
6) Is in my memory that I have had problems with the autoupdate of the portable FireFox but now I do not have data (itself, proxy, etc). I'm tuned to inform if it comes again.

There are probably more cases but I hope that these serve to understand the need.
16 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
But why you need to force the update for 0.00?
A 0.00 program should be able to force its own update. This is the behavior for Firefox for example.
Is there any 0.00 program that doesn't behave in that way?

Because in that case the program shouldn't be tagged as a 0.00 in the SPS.
17 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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Gianluca wrote:
4) How I can force to update this app?
Go to the Get new apps, right click on an already added program, choose Force update from the web site. It works with either normal and 0.00 programs.

It works fine. To force update is all of I need.



Gianluca wrote:
2) The UPD banner never appears on the 0.00 programs. I can't remember why I decided to adopt this behavior but, at the time, it seemed sane.

I understand and share the reason for the basic users (banner without alert of Update in the Status column for the 0.00 apps it's confusing).


Gianluca wrote:
5) How I know that has been a change in the Added app?
As usual an available update is notified with the red update banner.
Don't expect a new behavior with the 0.00 programs instead. If they are already added, they never show the banner.

It's a pity that there is no option for advanced users to force the banner even in 0.00 apps.
To surround this I must do: after updating the Updates Definition, I should filter by Added and sort by the Released on column to update the normal apps (check box) as well as the 0.00 (right click).


With this, my first wish on the list would be complete (although with the forced update I can handle it) smile

edited by VVV_Easy_Symenu on 04/02/2019
18 days ago
Topic:
New SyMenu version 6.07

Gianluca
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Topic: New SyMenu version 6.07
Here we are.
A "real" SyMenu version update, has been missing for many months by now. If I'm not wrong from April 2018. All the following versions brought graphical improvement and UI redraw but very little changes in the program features.
But now it's over, finally, and I'm here again with some real implementations.

Here is the changelog:
  • Breaking change on the customizable menu structure: the Host programs item is now separated from MyComputer item
  • The program logging activity becomes optional and is now on SQLite
  • The item execution can be logged on SQLite
  • An already updated program can be forced to update itself again. It works with auto updatable programs too (0.00)
  • In the configuration form the cursors keys with the SHIFT modifier are able to move the items up, down, up level, and inside the very next folder
  • The item cloning available in the configuration form with drag & drop, can now be done with the special context menu entry too
  • The Visit web site link in configuration form is now a button
  • Fix - Deleting an item that is sharing its program icon with another item, doesn't remove the icon file anymore
  • Fix - The item description textbox in configuration form now selects all its text on enter as the other textboxes

I hope this new version is well valued.
Stay tuned for next news.
18 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

Gianluca
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Topic: My SyMenu "wish list"
VVV_Easy_Symenu wrote:
I'm trying the new version: 6.07.6972 [2019.02.02]. Some quick returns:
"An already updated program can be forced to update itself again. It works with autoupdatable programs too (0.00)"
I don't understand how this works. I explain myself with an example with a 0.00.sps app "Mozilla Firefox Portable":
  • I have the 61.0.2 version installed. How I knows? Because when I run it alerts me that there is an update and I can see it in the inner FireFox menu.
  • In the Get New Apps windows today it apears with the version 65.0 updated in 29-01-2019 as Added (and no UPD banner over the icon, even when yesterday was in 64.0)
  • If I check it and "Apply All" in the Get New Apps windows it ask me for Remove, not for update, logical usual behavior.
So,
  • How I can force to update this app?
  • How I know that has been a change in the Added app? (I have expected a banner UPD over the icon)


Well so many questions here.

1) How I know that a new program version is available?
It depends.
You are notified from the Get New Apps (UPD banner over the icon) only if the person in charge (the SPS editor) supplies the update information to our system.
You are notified from the program itself only if the program has this functionality.
FF represents a particular case. It will always alert you instead of our SPS system because, since FF is so reliable about its updates process, we tagged it as 0.00 that means: "please dear user, trust FF and update the program from its internal update feature, and don't expect any update information from our system".

2) The UPD banner never appears on the 0.00 programs. I can't remember why I decided to adopt this behavior but, at the time, it seemed sane.

3) The group behavior of the programs doesn't change in the Get New Apps window. So it is correct it asks you to remove an added program.

4) How I can force to update this app?
Go to the Get new apps, right click on an already added program, choose Force update from the web site. It works with either normal and 0.00 programs.

5) How I know that has been a change in the Added app?
As usual an available update is notified with the red update banner.

Don't expect a new behavior with the 0.00 programs instead. If they are already added, they never show the banner.


All your questions are done because of a misunderstanding: the forced update is not an exclusive feature for the 0.00 programs but it's a common feature for every already added program that you want to refresh for any reason.
18 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

lupusbalo
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installed this version 3 hours ago and ......
... and it still works!!!

OK I leave
Lupusbalo

Heu thanks Gianluca
19 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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I'm trying the new version: 6.07.6972 [2019.02.02]. Some quick returns:

"Breaking change on the customizable menu structure: the Host programs item is now separated from MyComputer item"
It works as expected. Nice.

"An already updated program can be forced to update itself again. It works with autoupdatable programs too (0.00)"
I don't understand how this works. I explain myself with an example with a 0.00.sps app "Mozilla Firefox Portable":
  • I have the 61.0.2 version installed. How I knows? Because when I run it alerts me that there is an update and I can see it in the inner FireFox menu.
  • In the Get New Apps windows today it apears with the version 65.0 updated in 29-01-2019 as Added (and no UPD banner over the icon, even when yesterday was in 64.0)
  • If I check it and "Apply All" in the Get New Apps windows it ask me for Remove, not for update, logical usual behavior.
So,
  • How I can force to update this app?
  • How I know that has been a change in the Added app? (I have expected a banner UPD over the icon)
"The Visit web site link in configuration form is now a button"
Nice.

Thank you for your perseverant work for so many years, Gian

edited by VVV_Easy_Symenu on 03/02/2019
19 days ago
Topic:
My SyMenu "wish list"

VVV_Easy_Symenu
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Wow, very good news. We have a new version: 6.07.6972 [2019.02.02].

Good work, Gian!
Trying!

edited by VVV_Easy_Symenu on 02/02/2019
19 days ago
Topic:
Position on the SyMenu icon screen

Fulvio
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You understood perfectly, I'm sorry that there is no solution and I agree with you that it is not appropriate to use it in read-only mode. Thanks, best regards Fulvio
19 days ago
Topic:
Position on the SyMenu icon screen

Gianluca
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Topic: Position on the SyMenu icon screen
So you need something to avoid any unintentional movement, don't you?
Sorry it's not possible.
The only workaround that comes to my mind is to move SyMenu in the desired position, close it, then re-open the program in read-only mode. When SyMenu runs in read-only mode you can move it here and there but you'll find it again in the previous position on the next run, because it is not able to save its new position.

But working in read-only mode is not the best way you can use the program.
19 days ago
Topic:
Position on the SyMenu icon screen

Fulvio
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The computer is always the same. I place the SyMenu icon anywhere on the screen. If I move the pointer when I open the menu while holding down the left mouse button, I move the icon. I would like the position to be fixed and it would no longer be possible to move the icon unless I deselect the requested option. Thanks, Fulvio
19 days ago
Topic:
Position on the SyMenu icon screen

Gianluca
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Topic: Position on the SyMenu icon screen
It should be already this way unless you:
- drag it intentionally to another place;

- open SyMenu in another PC. In this case the floating icon is located in the screen center.


Can you explain better your request please?
19 days ago
Topic:
Position on the SyMenu icon screen

Fulvio
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Would it be possible to have an option to lock SyMenu's icon in its current position? Thanks Fulvio
24 days ago
Topic:
SyMenu Backup

Gianluca
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Gianluca
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Topic: SyMenu Backup
You are right.
The plugin was from a developer that disappeared after a while. Probably his program did the same because it was stored on an external repository.

Well is a backup tool dedicated to SyMenu useful?
Not so much.

SyMenu is a program strongly tied to the file system so if you backup the entire SyMenu folder, you are backing up SyMenu itself, its configuration, and all the suite programs.
You can use a normal backup tools for this purpose. My advise is to use a tool with differential/incremental backup features to limit the backup size.

Well probably I have to close this thread too...

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