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13 days ago
Topic:
Portable Programs to Add [Suggestions]

Knightmare
Knightmare
Posts: 9
VVV_Easy_Symenu wrote:
If I have understood correctly MPC-HC has finished developing in (last 1.7.13 64-bit):
https://mpc-hc.org/

and now continues the development of new versions in (last 1.8.7):
https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/releases

and you want that the SyMenu App follows this new fork. Isn't it?


Yes, but I use MPC-BE if it has a portable version.
13 days ago
Topic:
Portable Programs to Add [Suggestions]

Knightmare
Knightmare
Posts: 9
Another suggestion: Slimjet

Slimjet is a Chromium-based project that integrates a lot of smart and convenient features so that you can get more done in much less time.

It combines a lot of smart and convenient features so that you can get more done in much less time without taking the pain to hunt for external plugins. It also adds many options and settings so that you customize the browser appearance and behavior to best suit your personal preference.

Slimjet permits you to manage file downloads in a safe environment through its comprehensive download manager. And it includes flexible translation web page tools as well as a highly customizable toolbar that permits you to add additional buttons that provide more powerful features. The UI is simple making navigation very comfortable. You can quickly access websites by entering a URL in the address bar or by utilizing the quick search through one of the popular engines through a special field. It also has an Intelligent form filler that can be used as a replacement to the core password manager in Chrome. And will allow one-click navigation to your favorite online accounts.

Slimjet supports Facebook integration so you can share a link, text or image with a single click. You also have access to Youtube video downloader for downloading YouTube videos in various formats and resolution. You can also convert videos to mp3. Additionally, Slimjet includes Photo Salon; which permits you to automatically add frames and other effects to photos before uploading any pictures. And it will allow Instant photo uploads which can be up to 20 times faster with automatic image compression.
23 days ago
Topic:
convert 8GB portableapps.com apps to symenu easy

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
smile
And usually a fresh new start is exactly what we need to become even better than what we are today!
I'm awaiting for the news.
23 days ago
Topic:
convert 8GB portableapps.com apps to symenu easy

mAXmAD
mAXmAD
Posts: 2
thanks for reply ... !


offcourse i can recreate that 8GB library for SyMenu, but... everything is just so nice now, backup to mega and so on... i just though that it would be nice to just "convert" them u know.... but this SyMenu is lots of more than portableapps.com that it would be just plain stoopid to NOT. same time i can recheck all apps, delete bad ones, make better menus, make it really look like ... something wink

I ABSOLUTELY let u know how this ends... now u know how it begin wink

-mAX
23 days ago
Topic:
convert 8GB portableapps.com apps to symenu easy

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Nope.

The mystic plugin should have worked this way: take the PortableApps program structure into the SyMenu program structure and link all the programs.

Nothing incredible, neither too difficult but nobody creates it until now. Why?


IMHO an import process like this, makes you loose the autoupdate feature that the PA launcher offers. On the other hand SyMenu can autoupdate the programs only if you "install" them with the native feature.


Well SyMenu even has an import feature but it imports the programs, not the logical structure. And the autoupdate problem remains.

So the choice is entirely on you and, please, let us know what options you will choose and how your experience will be. It can be useful for other users.

P.S.
You have 1300 programs in SyMenu and 400 in PA. Are you really sure you can't recreate your 8GB program library in the SyMenu way?
24 days ago
Topic:
convert 8GB portableapps.com apps to symenu easy

mAXmAD
mAXmAD
Posts: 2
i have nice collection of finest portable apps, 8GB i just checked. iv been using portableapps.com menu program for while now and well, actually got nothing bad to say about it execpt nowdays its just too boringly simple for kingnerd like me smile i checked Symenu now and it looks very nice indeed. so..... is there EASY way to convert whole portableapps.com menu with categories etc. to Symenu? i read something about some mystic plugins, but actually havent found any yet... is there solution?

but hey, all u thanks many many keeping this up etc. smile

-mAX

26 days ago
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SyMenu

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Topic: Unhandled Exception of SyMenu
What I can understand from the exception you posted, not so much because I don't speak German, it's useless to investigate further in it.
It seems a wrong disposition operation on an object (the menu itself) that shouldn't be disposed because it needs to be active all along the application lifetime.
Usually the reasons for this kind of problems are not highlighted in the stack trace and it's very difficult to find out them in debug mode too.
The only hope is that the problem can be reproduce with a defined actions sequence so that I can understand the real reason. Until that moment, please try to ignore the error if it is not so annoying or blocking.
27 days ago
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SyMenu

chef
chef
Posts: 44
No, it's the other way round.

The situation reported that the 2nd window remained is a consequence of a present bug in SyMenu. Difficulties in reproducing are a hint on probably dynamic race conditions still difficult to identify and reproduce. The unhandled exception comes much later on other action requiring the first bug before. And without following the advice of the exception handler, it may be difficult to identify symptom and cause which are probably different.

I worked normally and things became strange. The bugs are already present but difficult to reach. I didn't insert a bug by using SyMenu normally and nevertheless fall once on it.

This bug observed, I don't consider major nor bloquing. And if you want to say that you can't do anything on it as long as it does not get identified nor reproduced, then you're probably right too. But this doesn't mean absence of that bug.

Which advice do you want to give me?

Do you want me to follow the advice of the standard exception handler to enable debug and verbose mode in order to be prepared differently and to get not only stack trace of functions but hopefully also of paramenters, hoping it will not impact too much normal behaviour and focus only on unhandled exceptions?

I don't know if I saved a copy of the instruction to enable this mode. I'm sure I didn't save it yesterday. But I remember having seen and reported unhandled exceptions on different bug already before and assume having saved also that instruction then.

An independant hint on bugs. Microsoft did break compatibility with its functional update of Windows 10 of this spring. At least some driver publishers and anti-virus publishers were concerned. I don't expect SyMenu to be concerned. So such context changes may change the probability the already present bugs get observed or not. And this has nothing to do if users work normally or not. For this type of change, it's not users operation nor mode, it's the operating system context which may have changed. And Microsoft has rolled out this spring update an my tablet but not yet on my notebook. On my tablet, I don't have SyMenu installed. On my notebook, I've SyMenu installed but Microsoft warns me not to update Windows with that functional update neither by Windows update nor by reinstalling Windows, and will keep me informed when I may consider updateing in the future after they fixed further issues and some cooperating partners too.
27 days ago
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SyMenu

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Topic: Unhandled Exception of SyMenu
I tried to reproduce this problem but it's difficult without knowing the exact procedure you followed.
Anyway when the things become strange, it's quite normal that a bug can appear. The important thing is that the bugs are not here when you work normally.
27 days ago
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SyMenu

chef
chef
Posts: 44
This crash happened the first time. It entered a strange mode with two windows when I entered the settings menu, keeping two windows instead of turning to one window with the settings form. The other window was the submenu to enter the settings form.

Even when finishing a configuration setting session and closing that settings form normally, the other window remained some time and then turned into that unhandled exception reported by SyMenu in the non-resizeable window which you may find in the attached screenshot .
27 days ago
Topic:
Portable Programs to Add [Suggestions]

VVV_Easy_Symenu
VVV_Easy_Symenu
Posts: 146
If I have understood correctly MPC-HC has finished developing in (last 1.7.13 64-bit):
https://mpc-hc.org/

and now continues the development of new versions in (last 1.8.7):
https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/releases

and you want that the SyMenu App follows this new fork. Isn't it?
19/07/2019
Topic:
Portable Programs to Add [Suggestions]

Knightmare
Knightmare
Posts: 9
MPC-HC has been taken over by another user, so I guess I'll add that to my list
https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc
18/07/2019
Topic:
Minor Bugs in SPS Package Manager Reporting ?

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 909
The package size information is available only for managed packages.
When a package is discontinued the SPS doesn't exist anymore but if you already installed the program, it leaves tracks in the SPS Manager.
Naturally, since the size information is related to the package to download and not to the real disk occupation of an installed program, that field remains empty.

The strange order of the size field is because it's an alphabetical order and not a real size order.

I planned to implement it in the future but it has a really low priority.

Regarding the Kb abbreviation you are perfectly right. You'll find it fixed in the next version.
14/07/2019
Topic:
Minor Bugs in SPS Package Manager Reporting ?

chef
chef
Posts: 44
Hi,
I've about two weeks only of experience with SyMenu and its SPS package manager. I'm still learning some not so obvious and interesting features. But it seems that I stumble on bugs of time to time. Thankfully, what seemed to be blocking, these tools provide work arounds to prevent it remaining blocking.

So now it seemed to me I either didn't find correct configuration or found a non-blocking minor bug in SPS package manager. When I don't filter the list of packages (all packages), I discovered that it is possible to sort the columns in that list of packages. When I wanted to sort according to package size, the result seems to sort something similar to numbers instead of sizes, see attached screenshots for largest package size top and for smalles package size top. For packages larger than about a Megabyte, the size is displayed in Megabytes while smaller packages are displayed in kilobytes. So while 91 Megabytes is larger than 993 kilobytes, it is displayed as smaller when sorting the column package size. I would expect the largest package on top when sorting according to size and the smallest on bottom resp. the other way when reversing sort order of package size. And it seems that the largest package is displayed shortly after the middle (with 255 MB) when having the largest numbers on top (998 kb). What did I miss to get the correct sort order for package size in SPS package manager?
Do I need to export that list and sort it in some spreadsheet instead?


And is there another bug seems to be present too. Its the abbreviation for package sizes. While MB is the correct abbreviation for Megabytes, there appears the abbreviation kb instead of kB. KB or kB mean kilobyte while kilobit may have kb or kbit.

And how does it happen that SPS package manager doesn't display the whole SPS package definition for installed packages, see screenshot for smallest packages ? It displays then only SPS package name and installed version, keeping package size, category, tool release date and VirusTotal field empty! This seems to happen when these packages are installed and probably later removed of the online repository while still being installed locally. So that information should be present locally but not used for display. (I know that there may be other reasons for empty VirusTotal field though.)
02/07/2019
Topic:
How to know when to use builtin update?

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 909
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 909
Topic: How to know when to use builtin update?
chef wrote:
If I never should use build in update feature of a program unless the SPS editor decides it is so reliable, how may I know this decision?

Which flag in SPS package manager tells me how the SPS editor has decided?

As a user you don't need to know. If you find and update in the SPS Manager, do the update, otherwise the program will update itself without your intervention.
01/07/2019
Topic:
How to know when to use builtin update?

chef
chef
Posts: 44
Gianluca wrote:
You should never use the build in update feature of a program unless the SPS editor decides that it is so pervasive and reliable that the SPS doesn't have to care about it.

But in these few cases, don't worry, the build in update feature is so pervasive and reliable that the program take initiative and update itself almost within warn you.

Mozilla Firefox is one of these.


If I never should use build in update feature of a program unless the SPS editor decides it is so reliable, how may I know this decision?
Which flag in SPS package manager tells me how the SPS editor has decided?

The case of Mozilla Firefox is the only one reported. And it seems that I accidently found another one where you're the SPS editor and I reported back to you via SPS package manager contact feature. But I couldn't find a corresponding flag if this reported package was already known to be at least currently reliable enough and if you were already aware of published updates as corresponding SPS package editor.

And I didn't experience that the program was taking the initiative. I've performed and initiated the built in update check manually before.


And I know of another tool inside PortableApps and SyMenu Suite which is not yet reliable enough and had opened an issue to the tool author more than a month ago, so even before learning it included in SyMenu. This tool isn't only freeware. It has a dual use license, a professional one and a freeware one, the automatic built in feature being reserved to the professional use. But the authors implementation of portable isn't distinguishing sharply enough to comply strictly enough with common understanding of portable edition. Another typical tool not expected as portable is LibreOffice, at least for full feature set.
01/07/2019
Topic:
SyMenu Settings Form

chef
chef
Posts: 44
chef
chef
Posts: 44
Topic: SyMenu Settings Form
Gianluca wrote:

Can you post a little video where you reproduce the issue? A few seconds is enough.



Not now. My priorities are currently different. I'll probably not find time before Friday afternoon. So please remain patient on follow up some time.


Gianluca wrote:
If you don't know a program to record your desktop I can advise you to try ScreenToGif (in the SyMenu Suite).


Thanks for that hint. I don't know where to find. But SyMenu has an appropriate seach field. So I may proceed as time permits.
01/07/2019
Topic:
Missing forced install resp. update option

chef
chef
Posts: 44
Gianluca wrote:
The force update is only available with already installed programs and through online packages.



That doesn't seem true. It seems true initially but may change on context. My request is to have the option of forced update with already installed tools not only via online packages but also via local packages. And it seems that this option isn't available initially as you claimed.

But if I use the icon in SPS package manager for manual download, it seems that this opens the desired choice (of forced update via local package) in context menu, not before. I observed this difference at least twice yet, not knowing if it is deterministic. I couldn't find a corresponding note in the manual for advanced users neither. So is my request already implemented and the observed behaviour deterministic although not yet described?
01/07/2019
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SPS package manager

chef
chef
Posts: 44
Gianluca wrote:
chef wrote:
This bug is still present and reappeared today. And I can report that it wasn't on finishing the update but afterwards when asking SPS package manager to update its list of still not yet successfully processed SPS packages.

Who did ask to the SPS Manager to update the list? Was it you? Because the SPS Manager updates by itself whenever it finishes the update/installation/delete process.
If you force the update you are forcing the update of the programs definitions not only the list update.


So does this bug appear after the automatic (local) refresh or your forced (online) refresh?
Does it always appear or occasionally?

edited by Gianluca on 01/07/2019



Sorry that I wasn't precise enough. What I meant and did was not to request an update (in the sense of reload) of SPS definitions. It was just an update of that list to process instead. The corresponding action button carries the localized label for search. As far as I can see, the action of this button is as expected, not to update the SPS definitions but to reapply the filter criteria to the displayed list as the automatic update of that list kept the processed element on that list although no longer complying to the specified filter criteria. The manual is a bit short on this feature in the section filter.


The automatic update of the list by SPS package manager seems inconsequent. It doesn't change the size of the list. It just changes the state of that package although with changed state it no longer complies with the search criteria defined on the right column called filter in the manual. This choice also allows some post processing of the just processed element resp. tool to be initiated by myself without any intermediate steps. So this inconsequence is meaningful.


I don't like the default search criteria. And I didn't look up if that default may be reconfigured to one of my preferences. And the manual doesn't explain one difference letting me assume what is meant. The terms in my language don't correspond to the terms in the manual! It might even be that the localized terms are even better than those in the manual. The localized version of SPS package manager doesn't tell which term is used for updated tool version and which term for updates SPS definition, assuming the term update meaning the first case (updated tool version). (According to the figure in the manual, the international non-localized version seems to use the term added where the localized one uses update and the international version seems to use the term update where the localized one us something like refreshed. Is this an error in the manual? The comparison between localized version and manual confuses at this point of the manual.)


This inconsequence is fine. It gives me the choice when I want which kind of update of the list. Such a post processing might be some customization, some configuration or immediate execution. Without this inconsequence, post processing would require to search again for the already processed element with different filter or search criteria which would take longer.

So the automatic local refresh happened before the described symptom. And I don't know if this symptom would also appear with forced online refresh. I didn't try. What may be possible is that the internal data structures handle this inconsequence differently, being more consequent on internal data structure then on display and perhaps not providing a field for that difference between display and internal data structure. That would explain the debugger output probably meaning off by 1 corresponding to the list one field longer then the filter criteria would expect. So I don't expect that symptom to appear in the context of forced update of SPS definitions after automatic local refresh list.


So yes, it was me who decided and requested an update of that list to process in order to recomply with the filter criteria as I decided that I finished the update of the just processed tool (resp. former list element still being displayed as part of that list although no longer complying to the filter criteria) so wanting to have a again the list with still unprocessed tools (resp.list elements). This has nothing to do with an update resp. refresh of the SPS package definitions.

And as reported initially, this symptom comes irregularly. Common context criteria are that there are several tools available for update and updating doesn't succeed for all of them. Usually, there remain more than one tool not updated when the described symptom appears. But if I remember right, this doesn't forcibly lead to the described symptom, only sometimes. I still have no clue what triggers it or what additional constraints like race conditions have to be reached as constraints to make it reproducable. (Race conditions are difficult to identify.) That's why I asked if you ask me to prepare to follow the instructions of the debugger to get not just symbolic trace but also the corresponding parameters. That's at least as I understood the debuuger annex with instructions not posted as it is reported in localized language.
01/07/2019
Topic:
Unhandled Exception of SPS package manager

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 909
chef wrote:
This bug is still present and reappeared today. And I can report that it wasn't on finishing the update but afterwards when asking SPS package manager to update its list of still not yet successfully processed SPS packages.

Who did ask to the SPS Manager to update the list? Was it you? Because the SPS Manager updates by itself whenever it finishes the update/installation/delete process.
If you force the update you are forcing the update of the programs definitions not only the list update.


So does this bug appear after the automatic (local) refresh or your forced (online) refresh?
Does it always appear or occasionally?

edited by Gianluca on 01/07/2019

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